Dear Lord - What is this world coming to? I actually LIKED Ann Coulter's Column today!

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Amazing...I actually agree with her as well on this one....
I suppose this proves the adage that if you give an infinite number of monkeys and infinite number of typewriters, they will eventually bang out a play by Shakespeare.

with all the nonsense and vitriol that usually spews out of her columns it was inevitable she would come up with one that is sensible. The point is this, why reward lawbreakers. Each country has a set of standards and practices for allow immigration. Most of them are based upon the principle of fairness to both the nation and the immigrants. Illegal aliens violate both those principles.

Of course the problem is added with the fact that many industries exist because of illegal aliens so its not just the people who snuck in but the companies that are turning a blind eye to the status of some if not many of their employees.

[this is pathetic]

Legal or illegal is just a nasty label. A diplomat can rape your wife, mother, sister, or yourself. Then we can only ask him to leave. This is perfectly legal. You got moral and legal confused. By the way diplomats have gotten drunk and behind the wheel of a car killed Americans. Guess what? We can only ask them to leave.

Then you have the nerve to claim the same issue the Native Americans must have made when your kind was coming to their country. The Native Americans also noted that these sloped foreheaded, knuckle dragging, inset eyed, inbred mongoloids loved to type and fornicate with farm animals.

Globalization means the freedom of capital to move across borders. Labor being a subset and or component of capital should have the same rights. Otherwise, quit shopping at Walmart and or any other producer of non American goods. Then you have ended the demand. If no one purchased drugs, the there would be no need to have a war on drugs. So if you quit buying China made communist products, you quit supporting communist.

When someone shop lifts, we all pay for it. When a CEO is over compensated, we all pay for it too. Its ok to build arenas and stadiums for wealthy people as a form of welfare for the rich. Where is the risk? Go right ahead and pick on the meekest people, after all that is a Christian thing to do.

1. We are talking about illegal immigrants - not diplomats. Those are two separate issues. To set the record straight, I despise the fact that diplomats have immunity. I think that if they do criminal acts they should be treated as criminals and PUNISHED.
2. I am part native American, just for an FYI. Guess what, it sucked to be them. I agree with you there. However that is not the issue. Native Americans did not have a static nation with defined borders. WE DO. Different time, different situation.
3. Wow...talk about a nasty racist comment about Europeans. Why do you need to be racist when nobody here was?
4. Globalization does mean a fluid labor force. Guess what I don't have a problem with that. In fact if you had bothered to take the time to read what I wrote - I said we should establish a guest worker program!
5. Why do you assume that I only pick on people who immigrated here illegally? I don't like ANYBODY who breaks the law. I despise shoplifters. I hate corporate thievery. I don't like rich CEO's sucking the world dry.
6. Last time I checked anybody can attend a stadium. I am pretty sure there aren't income and credit checks at the gates.

You need to stop being so nasty in your tirades. People might listen to you more. Unfortunately, its people like you that make regular liberals look bad.
Guess what, I think many of the issues you talked about are problems - why do you assume I don't? I just didn't have the time to write a 500 page manifesto to cover it all.
I was simply talking about the fact the I think that we need to secure the border and then work on the illegals here and getting them legal-like. Yes, I think we should secure the borders (and ports) so we know what and who is flowing in and out of our nation. Guess what most countries try to do that (I challenge you to name a first world or even a developing nation that doesn't control their borders). Its a control method to keep out terrorists, criminals, illegal and dnagerous weapons and even drugs!
Oh and last time I checked, drug runners hauling a million dollars worth of drugs int America are not the meekest. Drug runners are a part of organized crime and deserve whatever they get.

Sheesh - you need to calm down a bit and learn to separate some issues...

Diplomats are aliens, legal aliens to be exact.

If you think you speak for the Native American, your wrong and the world is never ever static. You need to travel to Gallop New Mexico and see for yourself.

These so call Europeans were nothing but imperialist, who can't deny slavery and a racist history in their very own fabric of history.

Gee did you ever hear about how the Contras were funded? Our gov't sold drugs for arms.Congress was bypassed in this funding.

GW certainly isn't a liberal, and you folks are picking on a group of people. This is common throughout history to blame a nations woes on a meek people. If you follow history this happens often when time are bad. The facist Nazi blamed the Jews as you are blaming the Mexicans.

Securing the borders is as easy as that war on drugs. Americans demand drugs and American companies demand undocumented aliens.

Then what about all those alien abductions, not to mention the probing that goes along with that encounter.

You give Neo Conservatives a bad name with your simplistic idealism. Please don't state the obvious and or anything that stands to reason.

First off, the conversation isn't about diplomats that flaunt their immunity and break our laws. If you want to write a post about that on your blog, feel free to do so. I would be happy to write a response in agreement on the topic. HOWEVER, diplomats that are here legally are a different subject than illegal immigrants.

I love how "Europeans" are blamed for slavery. Guess what, slavery has existed since man learned to use aggression. It has existed in most societies throughout time. It still exists today. "Europeans" have owned slaves and they have been slaves. If you are one of those people that like to use colonial slavery as the only example of slavery that ever existed, then really should include the Africans that kidnapped and sold other Africans. Then you should also include the Arabs that sold the Africans to Europeans from coastal fortresses. Perhaps you should also include the slave owning blacks in America as well. Slavery was an awful institution but nothing will ever change it because it is in the past. The only thing you can do is learn and move on. If you continue to live in the pain and hatreds of the past then you are doomed to repeat and make things worse as time goes on.

Sigh, I don't blame Mexicans for anything. I think their culture is beautiful. I think they are an integral part of the American culture. Where did I ever say anything bad about them? FYI, your assumption that I am blaming "Mexicans" is kinda of racist. I know that most illegals crossing into the US aren't Mexican, don't you know this too?

I said I wanted the BORDER secured. Whats wrong with that? Guess what - that include the CANADIAN border. Hell, one of my best friends - a canuck living in the States on a visa - once ACCIDENTALLY entered the US because she was lost. She was in an area of farmlands and she came to a small bar that moved back and forth - thinking it was the entrance to a farm where she could ask for directions, she went past it. When she came upon a gas station, she realized very quickly that it had been the US border! That needs to be secured too!

Oh and don't get me started on companies that want illegal workers. I hate that for an entire host of reasons for illegal immigrants and citizens alike. Any employer that hires an employee under the table should be punished.

Domestic Worker Challenges Diplomatic Immunity Run Date: 05/23/04 By Asjylyn Loder
WeNews correspondent

After four years of physical, emotional and sexual abuse, an Upper East Side domestic worker in New York escaped her employers. Now, she has filed a civil suit against them, only to find that as a diplomat, he has immunity.

(WOMENSENEWS)--For four years, she was practically invisible. No one knew her--not her neighbors, not the doorman of the posh Upper East Side apartment building where she lived and worked, not the other nannies and housekeepers who populated the stores and playgrounds she infrequently visited.

She claimed her employer, a Kuwaiti diplomat, and his wife kept a constant and watchful eye. They never allowed her out alone and intruded on any conversation she attempted with outsiders. They beat and insulted her, deprived her of her passport, paid her less than 50 cents an hour, and locked her in their 22nd floor apartment when they went out. Finally, her employer, Bader al-Awadi, a Kuwait diplomat, raped her, she recently told a judge.

Because she was sexually assaulted and because she is now an undocumented Indian national and fears deportation, she has asked to use the nickname "Sheela."

Once four years ago, after a violent fight with her employers the day before a family vacation Sheela was to join, al-Awadi left the family's passports and tickets on the dining room table. Sheela saw her passport, snatched it and fled.

Last year, with the assistance of a lawyer she met at the New York temple where she sought shelter, she filed a federal lawsuit suit against al-Awadi and his wife, Halal al-Shaitan, but the couple did not appear to reply to answer her allegations on Feb. 25.

The Kuwaiti mission to the United Nations, however, sent a letter on their behalf, claiming that the couple has full diplomatic immunity that protects diplomats from prosecution. Some diplomats, though, may be charged with crimes committed while they were engaged in activities outside their consular duties. In extremely rare cases, diplomats may be stripped of their immunity. Alternatively, the host country may declare them persona non grata, forcing them to leave the country.

In a letter to Sheela's lawyer, which al-Awadi provided to Women's eNews, al-Awadi denied any abuse and said that he had not withheld her passport. His family had a warm relationship with Sheela, helped her obtain medical care and even paid for her vacations, he said.

Pattern of Abuse by Diplomats

The scale of the exploitation and abuse of domestic staff by the international diplomatic corps in the United States remains unknown. The international missions based in New York and Washington, D.C., do not routinely oversee the conditions of diplomatic household staff or track the number of cases brought by former servants against foreign diplomats.

Diplomats may bring a servant to the United States on a G5 visa. Nearly 1,500 G5 visas were granted in 2002, the last year for which data is available, according to the Office of Immigration Statistics. Like Sheela, many G5 visa holders stay for several years, and it is not known how many servants of diplomats are currently in the United States.

The lack of statistics underscores the lack of oversight by either the U.S. government or the consulates and embassies that directly oversee the diplomats.

Andolan, a New York advocacy group helping Sheela, has handled 11 such cases over the last five years; some settled out of court. The organization has seen others in which workers felt that bringing charges was not worthwhile, feared that bringing a suit might lead to deportation or, worse, retaliation against family members in their home countries.

Suzanne Tomatore, director of the Immigrant Women and Children's Project for the Association of the Bar of the City of New York, has seen 5 to 10 such cases over the last year.

"I've seen this from many different countries," Tomatore said. "Does it happen? Yes. Does it happen often? Probably. Can I say how often? No I can't."

These cases are not restricted to the United Nations or to New York. Cities with large consular communities, such as Geneva and Washington, D.C., also face this problem.

"I just think it is especially egregious because these people are supposed to be representing their country to the highest regard, and the clothes they are wearing were washed by a household slave and the food they ate was prepared by someone they don't pay," Tomatore said.

Efforts to prosecute diplomats with immunity often lead to a dead end. In Sheela's case, her lawyer has argued that the abuse took place outside of al-Awadi's official duties as a diplomat and is therefore not covered by his immunity. No decision has been reached in her case.

Years of Abuse

Sheela says that she traveled to Kuwait from India in 1995 to take a job with al-Awadi's mother-in-law. After 10 months, al-Awadi and al-Shaitan visited on their vacation. In need of a maid and nanny for their infant, they asked Sheela to return with them to New York. She says they promised to pay her $500 a week.

Sheela was thrilled with the opportunity, until she arrived in New York and they took her passport. "When they going out, they lock the door," she claimed.

Her employers, who had a second child in 1997, sent the money directly to Sheela's husband and five children in India and gave Sheela the receipts, which she kept. She says they later raised her salary to $250 each month. It's not clear how much she was initially paid.

While the arrangement helped support Sheela's family and her husband, who was ill and has since died, it left Sheela with no resources of her own. The day she left the family, she had no money at all, she said, and slept for nearly a year in the basement of a temple.

Al-Awadi said he never promised her payment of $500 a week and started off paying her $300 a week.

Where al-Awadi says Sheela abandoned his family with no notice, Sheela claimed to have seized an opportunity to escape.

In 2000, after she grabbed her passport, Bible and her children's picture, she hailed a taxi, as she had seen her employer do before. She was in luck; the driver spoke Hindi. "Please take me anywhere," she told the driver. "Drop me anywhere.'"

The driver took her to the temple, where Sheela was sheltered for a year until she found another job. Now, she has her own apartment and is a part-time maid for several different employers. She has not seen her children since 1999 because she lost her legal right to remain in the United States when she left her employers and remains undocumented.

Asjylyn Loder is a freelance writer in New York.

Slavery did exist, but not in America prior to Europeans, they also brought small pox, rats, and roaches. Its well known in intellectual circles that an indigenous population cannot be enslaved in their own land. So Africans were traded for Indians in historical documentation. This was done by Europeans in Barbados.

Latino don't need your permission to procreate and therefore they will soon be the majority. Maybe you don't mind a few living in your neighborhood. Maybe you don't mind a couple on your block. Maybe you don't even mind one as a next door neighbor. But how about one in your home with your daughter?

It should be noted that 2500 speeding violation in France by diplomats in one year remain unpaid and uncollectable. Just how big is France? Abuse of diplomatic immunity was made more visible by media coverage in the early 1990s. The abuse spans a variety of activities, ranging from parking violations to more serious criminal behavior such as domestic abuse and rape. In February 1995 Mayor Rudolph Giuliani of New York City forgave $800,000 in parking tickets accumulated by foreign diplomats. Although no clear reason was given, the action, which was perhaps meant as a show of goodwill, sent a message to visiting diplomats that the U.S. government may be willing to allow diplomats greater leniency than its own private citizens. This example serves as the best example of how some diplomatic debts have either been erased or not collected. However, outstanding debts may not be the worst illustration of how diplomatic immunity can be abused. Some financial institutions will not extend credit to diplomats because they have no legal means of ensuring the money is repaid.[citation needed] Diplomats are exempt from duties and tariffs for items for their personal use. In some countries, this has led to charges that diplomatic agents are profiting personally from resale of "tax free" goods. The receiving state may choose to impose restrictions on what may reasonably constitute personal use (for example, only a certain quantity of cigarettes per day). When enacted, such restrictions are generally quite generous (so as to avoid tit-for-tat responses).

In Vladivostok, Russia, U.S. Consul General Douglas Kent was involved in a car accident on October 27, 1998, that left a young man, Alexander Kashin, crippled. Kent was not prosecuted in a U.S. court. Under the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations of 1963, diplomatic immunity does not apply to civil actions relating to vehicular accidents. However, on 10 August 2006, a U.S. Court of Appeals ruled that since he was using his own vehicle for consular purposes, Kent may not be sued civilly.[7][8]

In Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, a Russian diplomat, Andrei Knyazev, drove his car into two pedestrians on a quiet residential street in January, 2001, killing one and seriously injuring the other. He had previously been stopped by Ottawa police on two separate occasions on suspicion of impaired driving. The Canadian government requested that Russia waive the diplomat's immunity, although this request was refused. Mr. Knyazev was subsequently prosecuted in Russia for involuntary manslaughter, and sentenced to four years in prison. His appeal of the sentence was denied and he served time in a penal colony.[4][5][6]

On December 3, 2004, a marine guard for the American embassy in Bucharest, Romania, allegedly drunk, collided with a taxi and killed the popular Romanian musician Teo Peter.[3] Marine Christopher Van Goethem did not obey a traffic signal to stop which resulted in the collision of his Ford Expedition with the taxi the rock star was travelling in. Van Goethem's blood alcohol content was estimated at 0.09 from a breathalyser test, but he refused to give a blood sample for further testing and left for Germany before charges could be filed in Romania.[citation needed] The Romanian government requested the American government lift his immunity, which it has refused to do.[citation needed] The Marine was later cleared by a Court Martial of both manslaughter and adultery.[citation needed]}

In January of 1997, Gueorgui Makharadze, the deputy ambassador of the Republic of Georgia in Washington caused an accident that injured four people and killed a sixteen-year-old girl. He was found to have a blood-alcohol level of 0.15, but released from custody because he was a diplomat. The U.S. government asked the Georgian government to waive his immunity, which they did and Makharadze was tried and convicted of manslaughter by the U.S. and sentenced to seven to twenty-one years in prison.[2]

In London in 1984, policewoman Yvonne Fletcher was killed on the street by a person shooting from inside the Libyan embassy. The incident caused a breakdown in diplomatic relations until Libya admitted "general responsibility" in 1999.

Diplomats and their families have also been known to use diplomatic immunity to avoid prosecution for criminal behavior. This is illustrated in a 1983 case where the New York City Police Department suspected a diplomat's son of fifteen different rapes. The son was allowed to leave the United States without ever being taken to court, because he claimed diplomatic immunity. If diplomatic immunity is used as a shield, the police cannot prosecute, no matter how serious the crime may be.

U.S. citizens and businesses are often at a disadvantage when filing civil claims against a diplomat, especially in cases of unpaid debts, such as rent, alimony, and child support. In the summer of 1994 U.S. diplomat Victor Marrero reportedly complained to the United Nations secretariat that foreign diplomats' debts in the United States were $5.3 million. The New Yorker later reported that a well-informed source had said the figure had risen "closer to $7 million."

Latino don't need your permission to procreate and therefore they will soon be the majority. Maybe you don't mind a few living in your neighborhood. Maybe you don't mind a couple on your block. Maybe you don't even mind one as a next door neighbor. But how about one in your home with your daughter?

Hmmm....I could care less what color person my child ends up with. Hispanic, black, Indian, Purple, same sex - IT DOESN'T MATTER. The only thing that matters is that he is in a loving and mutually respecting relationship.

As for a hispanic too close to me??? Try my cousins. My Uncle married a Mexican woman (by Mexican I mean straight from Mexico.) I could care less. My Aunt Gloria is awesome. We've been to Mexico to visit her family there. My dear friends are Mexican and Guatemalan. My best friend in the entire world is part black and part Mexican. To me, ethnicity doesn't matter - its PEOPLE that annoy me.

Perhaps if you knocked the chip off your shoulder, you might bring more people to your way of thinking.

As for slavery in the New World. Yes it did exist. To say it didn't shows that you don't know your history. Sure, it may not have been as harsh but it existed. SHould we even go into the human sacrifices?

Most Native American tribal groups practiced some form of slavery before the European introduction of African slavery into North America; but none exploited slave labor on a large scale. Indian groups frequently enslaved war captives whom they used for small-scale labor and in ritual sacrifice. Most of these so-called Indian slaves tended to live, however, on the fringes of Indian society. Although not much is known about them, there is little evidence that they were considered racially inferior to the Indians who held power over them. Nor did Indians buy and sell captives in the pre-colonial era, although they sometimes exchanged enslaved Indians with other tribes in peace gestures or in exchange for their own members.

PS...yes, small pox was brought to the new world by Europeans and earlier Africans (they were in South America long before the Eurpoeans) but the Americas gave the Old World Syphillis. The disease exchange was not deliberate or intended.

As for rats, I find that hard to believe that they were brought to the New World. I would love to see evidence of this because rodents are present on every continent that supports life. The world's largest rat the capyburra is, in fact, indigenous to South America.

First there were no horses or rats in America.

Definitions of rat
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n. - A pad (usually made of hair) worn as part of a woman's coiffure 3
n. - One who reveals confidential information in return for money 3
n. - A person who is deemed to be despicable or contemptible 3
n. - Someone who works (or provides workers) during a strike 3
v. - Give away information about somebody 3
v. - Catch rats, especially with dogs 3
v. - Give (hair) the appearance of being fuller by using a rat 3
v. - Take the place of work of someone on strike 3
v. - Employ scabs or strike breakers in 3
v. - Desert one's party or group of friends, for example, for one's personal advantage 3
n. - One of several species of small rodents of the genus Mus and allied genera, larger than mice, that infest houses, stores, and ships, especially the Norway, or brown, rat (M. decumanus), the black rat (M. rattus), and the roof rat (M. Alexandrinus). These were introduced into America from the Old World. 2
n. - A round and tapering mass of hair, or similar material, used by women to support the puffs and rolls of their natural hair. 2
n. - One who deserts his party or associates; hence, in the trades, one who works for lower wages than those prescribed by a trades union. 2
v. i. - In English politics, to desert one's party from interested motives; to forsake one's associates for one's own advantage; in the trades, to work for less wages, or on other conditions, than those established by a trades union. 2
v. i. - To catch or kill rats. 2

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Hispanic immigration position paper

“I told Phoenix, Arizona’s Channel 3 News that our administration would push for total amnesty for illegal immigrants and family reunification. We would also promote a living wage, benefits (including access to quality health care) and optimal working conditions. And we would promote a move toward a “North American Union” where the borders came down and there was a tremendous increase in work on joint environmental projects, humanitarian aid, business ventures, cultural exchanges… I added we have to move away from our myopic, and quite selfish, American protectionism.” --Joe


*Categories covered below include: 1) the issue; 2) the plan; 3) face of abject poverty south of the border; 4) unjust laws; 5) help in El Paso; 6) tough making it; 7) temporary workers, etc.; 8)“Hispanic Council” means grassroots help; 9) deportation, split families, slow bureaucracy; 10) illegal drug influx; 11) living wage, benefits, better housing…; 12) Help Latin America Drive!; 13) initiatives to help; 14) “North American Union”; 15) “…tremendous opportunity to help.”

1) the issues

There are some 12 million illegal immigrants in this country who have come here, for the most part, to escape abject poverty and / or political oppression in Mexico and throughout Central America.

We went to Juarez, Mexico, to look at this poverty first-hand. There were a series of slums with 200,000 people living in tiny, makeshift shacks, no running water, no electricity. Many were hungry. Children were sick, some dying.

We interviewed Tiffin, Ohio’s Sr. Paulette Schroeder who went to Nicaragua on a “Witness for Peace” Tour. She said Contra forces had undertaken a campaign of terror there to undermine strides toward moving people out of poverty. In one village, she heard the story of a Contra attack. Shots were being fired, grenades exploding and a mother grabbed her eight-month-old child and ran. A bullet pierced her back and lodged in the leg of the baby. The mother survived, barely. The baby lost his leg.

This oppression, this poverty, plays out regularly throughout Latin America -- so some people come here.

But because the need is often immediate and the citizenship process is often arduously slow, and expensive, a Latino rights activist in Fresno told me some desperate people choose the illegal route. Yet given these scenarios, to deport people and sometimes split their families in the process is simply “cruel,” he said.

What’s also ‘cruel,’ we believe, is allowing for the almost exploitive slave labor conditions that have resulted with these illegal immigrants.

We traveled to the San Joaquin Valley in California to look at migrant farm worker conditions. Scores of illegal (and legal) farm workers toiling in 115-degree heat, sun up to sun down for minimum wage, or less. No benefits, seldom any health insurance and continual exposure to toxic farm chemicals.

Similar ‘almost slave conditions’ for illegal immigrants exist in the garment district of Los Angeles and New York, the chicken processing plants in the Midwest, factories all over…

In essence, many of us in America (knowingly or unknowingly) are building our lifestyles on the backs of these illegal immigrants.

Not to mention, just getting a foothold for many of these illegal immigrants is extremely tough in the first place.

We traveled to a hardscrabble area of El Paso, Texas, to a homeless center and transitional living facility for illegal (and legal) immigrants who have just arrived to hear about their struggles. We also went to Eunice, New Mexico, to talk with a man who started the grassroots Hispanic Council and who told us illegal immigrants are tremendously stereotyped when it comes to what Americans believe their working capabilities are.

All these dynamics, in our opinion, add up to: a tremendous social justice travesty. And one that needs to be reversed now!

Note: And there’s an even more systemic problem. That is, in being focused so much on selfish American protectionism, we’ve missed so many more opportunities to help Mexico and all of Latin America and South America to become much more sustainable. It is our contention that many people don’t want to leave their family, their country, their culture… to come to America. But, again, their children are hungry.

2) the plan:

During a talk to a Newman Center student group at Northern Arizona State University, I said the current situation for many illegal immigrants in America amounts to nothing other than institutionalized “slave labor.” And because America espouses “liberty for all,” we’re falling tremendously short in this area.

And in the immediate, our administration would push for total amnesty (no retroactive fines or waiting period for citizenship) for illegal immigrants, family reunification and a much easier citizenship process, I told the Kingman (AZ) Daily Miner newspaper. And for those who want to work here (like the Nicaraguan woman in Ohio) and go back, we would push to pave the way for that as well.

Beyond this, I told Phoenix, Arizona’s Channel 3 News that our administration would try to promote a “living wage” for all these immigrants, much better working conditions, benefits, adequate housing, better education… (For those who want to work here, but maintain their citizenship south of the border, we propose a “Temporary Worker Program” that includes border check points.)

And I told the Hobbs (NM) Sun newspaper that all this is designed not only to benefit the illegal immigrants here, but offers tremendous spiritual benefit to all Americans who choose to get behind these initiatives to help.

Initiatives like the Annunciation House in El Paso, Texas. On a stop there to meet with the director, we learned Annunciation House is a homeless shelter and transitional living facility for new arrivals here (both legal and illegal). It is subsidized by churches and private individuals interested in promoting social justice.

Our administration would also point to projects like Eunice, New Mexico’s Hispanic Council. On a stop in Eunice during a “Border Tour,” we learned this ad hoc, grassroots citizens project is designed to help new arrivals with entering the work force, social service options, education… (The Hispanic Council model would work in any town.)

To help with sustainability south (and north) of the border, we would point to the non-profit “International Good Neighbors Council,” which has 28 chapters, half in the U.S., half in Mexico. In Carlsbad, New Mexico, we met with director Stanley Evans. He explained each chapter backs a charitable project in the other country.

And it was the country of Nicaragua that Minnesota’s Ed and Betty Bryce went with other members of their Catholic Church as part of a “Sister Church” project. Ed told me in the small, rural town of San Pedro (where there is no running water, no electricity, no sewage system…) they helped with several building projects.

We have traveled the country extensively learning about similar “Sister Church” projects between the U.S. and Mexico, El Salvador, Haiti, Guatemala… I told the Grand Rapids Herald newspaper in Minnesota that there is no reason why “every church in America can’t develop a Sister Church.”

And there is no reason more families can’t do what the McCarthy family did. On a stop in Holbrook, Arizona, we learned that Bob McCarthy (as a youth) and his family went to Costa Rica for two years to help train mechanics and equipment operators to repair and build a series of rural roads as part of an AID project.

The list goes on…

But the point is, our nation is capable of mobilizing a lot more help for nations south of the border. And our administration would try to inspire this.

*And more, we believe we should move far, very far, away from our current American protectionist orientation. So far in fact, that we believe we should establish a “North American Union,” like what’s evolving with the European Union.

We believe by letting the borders come further down with this type of “union,” it would promote much more: joint environmental conservation projects, joint business ventures, cultural exchanges… In all this, we believe relations would improve and we would move closer to a ‘globalization’ that would be much more about the common good -- than just economics and political power.

Note: We believe there should still be some form of Border Patrol in relationship to national security when it comes to protecting against, say, terrorists or illegal drug smugglers… But we believe we have wasted all sorts of manpower and money on trying to stop people simply coming here seeking a safer, more secure, life.

3) face of abject poverty south of the border

There are some 12 million illegal immigrants in this country from Mexico and Latin America in general. A majority of these people have come here to escape dead-end abject poverty or volatile political strife in their countries.

At an immigration rally in Flagstaff, Arizona, I told protestors we’d been to the dusty streets of Juarez, Mexico to look at this poverty first hand. And what we saw was 200,000 people living on the west side of Juarez in cobbled together shacks of scrap wood and rusty corrugated metal.

There was no running water, no electricity and young children roamed the streets as both their parents worked at multi-national corporations for $3 a shift – in a country where the inflation rate is higher than America.

The children were hungry.

Many risk climbing or skirting the border fence to come to America, so they can feed their children.

Tragically, some don’t survive the crossing. More than 400 – that border patrol could count -- died in the deserts of the Southwest before (or after) getting to the fence in 2005. According to a USA Today article, those that get lost, or stranded, in the desert eventually die of heat exhaustion. Their temperatures go to 107 degrees. They then become disoriented, then delusional… as all their organs shut down.

And again, these are often Moms, Dads, and others who are desperate for help.

4) unjust laws

During a tour of southern New Mexico, I interviewed a retired Border Patrol agent. The agent, who requested anonymity, said he worked along the border for 32 years in southern California.

He said during this time he pulled a good number of bodies of men, women, and some children out of the All American Canal near Colexico, California, in the aftermath of failed crossings.

This former agent told me candidly that he thought it was a shame, because it was his experience the Hispanics were generally “good, honest and hard working people” who were just trying to better the situation for themselves and their families.

Given this, I asked about whether he had felt qualms about helping capture and deport these people.

He said no, because he was first sworn to “uphold the law” that the American people wanted.

It is our belief that sometimes the law of the land is simply unjust. The laws allowing slavery were wrong. The laws protecting abortion, we believe, are wrong. And, again, we believe the laws around illegal immigration are wrong.

And it is our belief we must stridently work to protest such laws, including, at times, using things like non-violent civil disobedience (as the Civil Rights Movement demonstrated, for example) to bring more attention, awareness, and ultimately, change around an issue.

5) help in El Paso

For those who make it to America as new arrivals (both legal and illegal), they often struggle to get a foothold.

We traveled to El Paso, Texas, to meet with Rubin Garcia who is the director of Annunciation House, a homeless and transitional shelter for legal, and illegal, immigrants who have been in America a short time. Annunciation House is located in a hardscrabble area of El Paso. There is no sign.

Garcia has been here 28 years. He pointed to the poverty in Mexico and the wars in Central America as some of the main reasons for the influx of illegal immigrants.

He said Annunciation House is funded by donations by a loose network of churches and private individuals who are concerned about social justice issues. Issues like people fleeing death squad bullets and getting here with no money, no belongings and no grasp of the language.

While I was doing the interview with Garcia, our children played with a two year old Mexican girl and my wife Liz sat with her mother. A Jesuit volunteer here from Iowa for a year explained the Hispanic woman was a single mother who had recently left Mexico because of the poverty. She spoke no English and the child was in a tiny, threadbare dress.

Garcia said he didn’t see the rationale for sending people like this woman back. But rather he thinks it’s our responsibility to help.

I think so too.

6) tough making it

Once illegal immigrants move into the work force here, many end up in the margins of poverty (the way Americans see poverty) barely scraping by while trying to send as much as money as they can back to their relatives.

On a tour of California to look at migrant farm worker issues, I interviewed a man who formerly worked in the fields of Gilroy picking garlic, sun up to sun down. Eliseo Hinojosa has a wife and two young children. He told me the work in the fields was quite hard, the pay was low and by the time he met expenses here – there was little left (although he tried to send something whenever he could) for his relatives back in Mexico.

He said this situation was not uncommon.

Monterey (CA) Herald columnist Joe Livernois would agree.

In response to all the “crabbing” about undocumented immigrants taking jobs from Americans, Livernois wrote about one of these typical working scenarios. He described getting up at 3 a.m. and catching a bus to “some dewy field in the middle of nowhere.” Then mucking about in the thick mud, bent over, tending to vegetables all day long for wages that will force people to move in with several other families “in somebody’s garage.”

Livernois also wrote as a youth he had a farm worker job that lasted three weeks. He harvested onion seeds “under a scorching sun” during 12 hour days for an extremely low wage. “By the end of the day we were covered in onion husks, which, when mixed with sweat, prickles like fiberglass.

Shortly before I read Livernois’s column in California, in Ohio I learned about an illegal immigrant from Nicaragua who was here to earn money to rebuild a small rural home that had been destroyed in a forest fire. The woman, a single mother, had left her children with a relative, crossed several countries to the north, crossed the border, and through a network of people, ended up at a Catholic Worker House.

A nun who volunteers at the House told me the woman performs hard manual labor at a tire company in the area. The nun said the woman, who is quite slightly built, often has bruises on her arms because of all the heavy lifting. The woman’s hope is to be here several years, make enough money to rebuild, then return to be with her children.

Our administration would not only pave the way for this woman from Nicaragua to be here, but we would make sure she had every advantage any American worker with a living wage, benefits and good working conditions had. (And we would work hard to try and make sure every worker in America had the same.)

*In addition, we would work to suspend fines and other punitive actions against employers who hire illegal immigrants.

7) temporary workers, etc.

We believe there needs to be safe and efficient conduits for people south of the border to be able to work in the U.S, whether they plan to become citizens, or not…

In Sheffield Texas, I interviewed rancher Ron Stuard who said it’s virtually impossible to get American citizens to work the ranches in these parts. The “Catch 22,” he said, is if he hires illegal immigrants (who are indeed willing to work the ranches), he faces sanctions and up to a $10,000 fine.

Our administration would work to suspend fines, jail time and asset forfeiture for businesses who hire illegal immigrants.

Stuard also told me that in the 1950s, under the U.S. “Bracerro Program,” Mexicans and others from south of the border, were allowed to work on these ranches, and the like. He said in Mexico there was a list of people available to work, and as jobs came up in the U.S. (farm working, ranching…), they were simply matched.

Stuard said standard protocol was the U.S. employer would drive to a border check point, sign for the workers he needed (including stating the duration he needed the workers) – then get the workers back to the check point at the stated date.

McClean, Texas’s Steve Calloway likes the checkpoint idea as well for temporary workers here. At a campaign stop in this area, Calloway told me he grew up in South Georgia in the small town of Claxton.

All around were peanut and cotton farms. He said, virtually without exception, that the workers in these fields were Mexican, many illegal. Calloway continued that this hasn’t changed for the most part, and Americans have to face the fact that these Latino workers are an integral part of our economy.

He, too, believes there should be checkpoints at various places along the border. And there should be background checks for criminal records, etc.

Calloway added that if everything is OK with one of these checks, Latinos should be allowed to work here, either short or long term, including being eligible for citizenship after working for a prescribed time.

8) “Hispanic Council” means grassroots help

In Eunice, New Mexico, Leon Navarette told me Hispanics are often capable of doing more than “putting foot to shovel,” but breaking out of the stereotype (even having equal opportunity to do so) is tremendously difficult.

Navarette, and other residents in Eunice started the grassroots “Hispanic Council,” an ad hoc citizens group focused on helping new arrivals here. They conduct seminars to show immigrants the ins and outs of the job market, including how to start their own businesses. They hold seminars on how to access local social service networks. Some Hispanic Council members help tutor immigrant children and others help raise college scholarship funds.

They also lobby the city council for better streets and city services in general for these new arrivals who, for the most part, live in the poorer south section of Eunice. Many living two to three families in quite small homes and trailers there.

9) deportation, split families, slow bureaucracy…

In Dade City, Florida, illegal immigrants live two or three families to small homes and trailers as well. What’s more, they (like all illegal immigrants) live under continual fear about being deported.

I interviewed Fr. Edwin Barker in Dade City, Florida. He told me a good percentage of his church was made up of illegal immigrants. Fr. Barker explained that several years prior some Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) agents came to Dade City asking questions.

It created such a scare that many of the illegal immigrants, for weeks, wouldn’t leave their homes to go to work, to the grocery, to church, anywhere…

In Fresno, California, I interviewed Thomas Gonzalas who is a Latino Rights activist. He believes it’s unconscionable that people have to live in fear like this and he is pushing for total amnesty for all illegal immigrants – including family reunification.

He said, for instance, to have worked in America for a year and then be deported for 10 years (policy at the time of the interview) is not fair. What’s more, sometimes the illegal person who is deported has to leave his family here. Mr. Gonzalas said it is very “cruel” to split families like that.

Mr. Gonzalas has also worked with many Latinos to help get them citizenship and he said the process is often “long and slow.” This, in turn, discourages people from undertaking it.

Our administration would also push for total amnesty and family reunification. We would also work to make the citizenship process much easier and quicker.

10) illegal drug influx

An issue that comes up consistently around border security is the influx of illegal drugs into America from south of the border.

In Las Cruces, New Mexico, I interviewed Sheriff Department Sgt. Jimmy Beasley. He said it is not uncommon for his department to seize tractor-trailers that have come across the border with a half-ton of marijuana, cocaine…

He said besides the trucks, tunnels have been built below the fence and so on. And Sgt. Beasley said the Drug Cartels are so powerful south of the border, that no matter how much border security, they will figure out some way to get the drugs into the country.

Several months earlier, I met with a human rights activist from Columbia who was here to lobby against U.S. Government spraying of coca plants in her country. The activist, who requested anonymity, said the toxic chemicals used by crop dusters there, also (depending on where the wind is blowing) kills the crops of surrounding subsistence farmers and creates tremendous health hazards (cancer, respiratory problems…) for adults and children in these areas.

What’s more, this activist said if a coca farmer’s crop is destroyed, they, more often than not, simply move to another location and continue to grow.

All this begs the question:

“Are we fighting the war on drugs on the right front?”

That is, should we be spending billions muscling up our border security and DEA activities (such as the Columbia spraying) south of the border? Or should we be spending much more energy and resources on stemming the demand for illegal drugs on this side of the border?

Common sense, we believe, would vote for the latter.

As a former drug & alcohol counselor, I know that there are varying precipitating factors that lead to drug abuse. Probably the most systemic is problems in the nuclear family.

When there isn’t consistent, and quality, parenting time for youth – they grow up feeling empty inside. To fill these emotional voids, the youth then turn to alcohol, sex, drugs… (All we have to do is objectively look around society at this point to see how pervasive these addictive patterns have become, I told the BG News at Bowling Green State University.)

On the Monterey Peninsula in California, I did extensive research on the program: Take A Stand for Kids (TASK). This is a grassroots group of parents who conduct neighborhood meetings, school seminars and open public forums to raise awareness about better parenting techniques. And they have been tremendously successful.

Likewise, the DARE Program in America is starting to make measurable impact on drug abuse among youth. Sgt. Beasley is also the DARE Program coordinator in the Las Cruces, New Mexico public school system.

Sgt. Beasley told me DARE focuses on drug prevention education and sets up peer group support systems.

In addition, we believe there should be much more help in general focused on American inner city youth who are growing up in gang war zones amidst a tremendous amount of drugs. This can’t help but be a recipe for continued drug abuse in the next generation.

I researched a highly effective mentoring program in Wheeling, West Virginia, for inner city youth. There is a 14-week training program for adults who then adopt a youth for a year (although the relationships often last must longer.) Likewise, I interviewed a police officer from Detroit who is involved with a Community Oriented Policing Mentoring Project. Police officers there are assigned six youth who they spend time with every day after school.

Another cause for the high illegal drug demand on this side of the border is the tremendous recidivism (relapse) rate of those who have tried to undertake recovery, either on their own or forced through the court system.

In Needles, California, we researched the highly effective “Drug Court.” (These have been starting up around the country in recent years). First time non-violent offenders (where there was drugs or alcohol involved with the crime), are referred to a long-term, comprehensive treatment program that includes three outpatient groups a week, AA meetings, drug screens…

Common sense says the longer, and more comprehensive, the treatment program, the better the chances for long term recovery.

And common sense also says there needs to be a more wholesome societal climate in general in America at this point. Youth are being raised in an ‘MTV Culture’ saturated with media (television, movie, computer…) messages about the glorification of drugs, and so on.…

During Campaign 2004, I told the Hicksville, Ohio, newspaper that it’s time that “parents again be parents,” and take a more hands on approach to raising their children in a wholesome fashion, which includes limiting a youth’s exposure to all these corrosive influences.

See, we can strengthen the border to stem more of the flow of illegal drugs from the south, but in the long run it doesn’t take away the real problem.

The real problem is on this side of the border.

11) living wage, benefits, better housing…

On a tour of the San Joaquin Valley in California to look at migrant farm worker issues, I interviewed Doug Blaylock, an administrator at the National (Cesar) Chavez Center. Mr. Blaylock told me despite some of the strides the United Farm Workers Union has made, farm workers (both legal and illegal) are still discriminated against when it comes to wages, benefits, housing… Just like Irish immigrants, for instance, were discriminated against at the turn of last century.

We stopped in Arvin, California, a dusty farm worker town just south of Bakersfield. There we learned about farm workers living sometimes two to three families in tiny houses, or trailers.

A recent Mother Jones Magazine article noted Arvin has become “the most crowded community in all of California.” The article gives the example of “Isabel,” a farm worker and single mother of three in Arvin. She lives in a small, 300-square foot home. Two of her sons share bunk beds and her oldest sleeps in the car. Four other relatives sleep on the floor. And she sleeps on a couch.

These situations exist, in large part, because the wages in the fields (garment districts, factories…) are so low.

Translated: The individual farmers and corporate farming entities (garment company owners, factory owners…) pay low wages because they want to maximize their profits. On the other end of the continuum, a majority of consumers simply want to buy the cheapest produce possible, often for just as selfish reasons.

So what we are doing, in essence, is building our lifestyles on the backs of many of these illegal immigrants and, again, have set up what amounts to a slave populace.

I told the Kingman (AZ) Daily Miner newspaper that ironically when it comes to migrant farm workers (as an example), they do some of the most important work on earth. That is, they help provide us with: food. In fact, I said I believed what farm workers (and farmers) do is as important, if not more important, than what lawyers, accountants, CEOs… do. “And they should be compensated accordingly.”

And I told the Lodi (CA) Sentinel News that our administration would push for much better wages for farm workers (garment district workers, factory workers…), better benefits, better housing…

In receiving better wages, for instance, housing would naturally improve for this populace. And our administration would lobby non-profits like Habitat for Humanity to start a home-building program for new arrivals.

On a stop in Americas, Georgia, I met with Millard Fuller who is the co-founder of Habitat for Humanity. He told me the non-profit organization has grown exponentially and revolves around identifying housing needs (both domestically and internationally) – and then meeting them. (Habitat is an ecumenical Christian outreach that is networked through churches and relies solely on volunteer help to build and repair homes for the disadvantaged.)

In tandem with laws to help farm workers with better pay, for instance, we would also call on the American consumer to help in a voluntary fashion. That is, we would propose having “Farm Worker Displays” in produce sections of grocery stores throughout the country. The displays, for instance, would include pictures of farm workers in the hot sun, their children barefoot, the shacks they live in… With each display would be a donation bin for a general fund to help the farm worker (garment worker, factory worker…) and their families.

The Athens (OH) News noted that I had a populist faith in the American people to fix problems with “decency and common sense.”

And I do.

12) Help Latin America Drive!

In Arvin, California, I interviewed Fr. Lucas Azpericueda, who said he is personal friends with Vincente Fox, the president of Mexico.

Before being the leader of Mexico, Fox was the head of the State of Guanaguato. Fr. Azpericueda told me that Fox was extremely proactive in developing a model to help change the infra-structure of Guanaguato, which in turn, created many more jobs in the business and agriculture sectors, improved the quality and access to education and provided better housing and social services.

In kind, the percentage of Mexicans migrating from Guanaguato to the United States dropped considerably, said Fr. Azpericuada. It is our contention many people don’t want to leave their families, their towns, their culture, their country… to move to America. But the poverty often gives them little choice.

Given this, our administration would start a “Help Latin America Drive!” to aid more transformations like the one in Guanaguato. This would include a fund to help with business start ups, more education, more quality housing… This drive would include tremendously increasing the Peace Corps presence in Mexico and throughout South America to help within the context of each country’s culture and sustainable methods for business, farming, etc.

In Blanchester, Ohio, for instance, I interviewed Ed Bailey. He and his wife Dorothy, in their retirement, did a stint with the Peace Corps in the Philippines. They helped arrange micro-loans to small farmers there.

And this drive would also target inspiring more church groups and private citizens to help on as many levels as possible.

13) initiatives to help

There are a good number of models already in place for Americans to get behind in the effort to help south of the border.

One that is growing in popularity is the “Fair Trade” movement.

In Bluffton, Ohio, I interviewed Missy Schrock, who was the manager of Ten Thousand Villages. A Mennonite outreach project, Ten Thousand Villages sells craft and clothing items from Central and South America at fair trade prices to help improve the standard of living for artisans and their families.

Besides craft and clothing items, Ten Thousand Villages promotes fair trade coffee. (Coffee is a staple crop for some 25 million subsistence farmers in countries around the globe, including many in Central and South America.) And it is this growing support that is starting to help some of these farmers, not only stay on their land -- but stave off destitution.

Many stores, churches and coffee shops across America have started to sell fair trade coffee. And Caribou Coffee has even gone a step further. On a trip to Minnesota (Caribou headquarters), company representative Paul Turek told me they have established medical clinics in several of their growers’ towns in Latin America as the next step in trying to bring more equity and social justice help to those regions.

In Bluffton, Ohio, I also learned a “Global Concerns Group” connected with St. Mary’s Church there, did fundraising for Heifer International. The crux of the program is that Heifer International funds are used to purchase cows, chickens and other animals – which are shipped to communities around the world, including Central and South America. The livestock arrive in the impoverished villages bringing milk, wool, draft power, eggs – and offspring to pass on to other impoverished families.

And it is these impoverished families in Nicaragua that Ed and Gwen Bryce are concerned about. The Minnesota couple, along with 10 others from the St. Paul Diocese traveled into the back-country (no electricity, no cars, no sewage system, no school…) to help in San Pedro de la Norte. During an interview, Ed told me the families live in tiny 20 ft. by 20 ft. shacks and most of the children sleep on dirt floors in those shacks.

The Americans helped these villagers build a much needed, rice-drying shed.

In Bonita Springs, Florida, I interviewed Judy Black. After retirement in 1985, Judy and her husband Tom moved to modest trailer in Guazmas, Mexico, for several years. Working with the Franciscan Order there, Judy taught local women there sewing and pottery to help them get cottage businesses going. Tom told me he hired local workers there to help with small construction projects, and the like, around the trailer – giving them what he’d pay an American worker, not the standard $3 a day.

Taking all this a step further, we have researched a series of ongoing “Sister Church” projects between America and Central America. With most of these projects, there is not only a regular flow of funds to help, but church members in America regularly travel to their Sister Church countries to help in a hands on fashion.

And it was the McCarthy family (of 10) who headed to a small rural peninsula in Costa Rica to help in 1964. They went as part of AID, a U.S. Government Rural Development outreach. In Holbrook, Arizona, Bob McCarthy said he was a 10-year-old youth at the time and his father went there to train heavy equipment operators and mechanics for the purpose of improving old roads and building new ones.

Bob told me while people in Costa Rica got help, he also benefited tremendously by the trip. For one, seeing poverty first hand increased his empathy for the plight of the poor. And two, he said learning the culture and Spanish language was invaluable to him. He said as a result, he has a good number of Hispanic friends in this country.

Bob added that, reciprocally, he believed the friends he made in Costa Rica benefited from learning about his culture and language. And in all this, the countries grew closer.

And our administration would like to see all the countries grow a lot closer.

14) “North American Union

At a campaign stop in Seaside, California, I interviewed Ruben De Anda during the height of the Immigration Rallies across the country in the Spring of 2006.

Mr. De Anda came from the town of Lagus de Moreno in the state of Jalisco in Mexico. He is now a U.S. citizen. And he had a fascinating proposal.

Mr. De Anda pointed to the evolving European Union and said he believed a similar “North American Union” would work quite nicely.

That is, he said he’d like to see the borders start to come down and a formal union formed between Canada, the U.S., Mexico and the countries in Central America.

Our administration would lean heavily in that direction as well. We believe this type of union would open the door to more: joint environmental conservation projects, more mutually advantageous joint business ventures, more tourism (including more eco-tourism) to help boost economies, more cultural exchanges… And as we got to know each other better, more of a flow of humanitarian help all the way around – in the form of Sister City projects, Sister Church projects, individual to individual projects…

We are, after all, fellow human beings – borders or no borders. And the more we do to promote the common good for everyone, the closer we’ll come to a “globalization,” not based solely on material gain and political power, but rather a globalization based on spiritual principle.

15) “…tremendous opportunity to help.”

I said to the Hobbs (NM) Sun newspaper that America shouldn’t look at the impoverished immigrants who come here as burdens, but rather as a “tremendous opportunity to help.”

And our campaign manager in Georgia, Tom Farmer, recently wrote a poignant letter-to-the-editor for the Rome (GA) Tribune about foregoing some of our American protectionism and helping illegal immigrants in as many ways as possible. It ended with: “Let us not fence our compassion in.”

Enough said.

What evidence is there that Africans reached South America? This would be new, that is unless the Vikings were Africans.

Dear Lord Dallas,

Where did I ever say that I think that illegal immigrants should go home?

Where did I ever say that I don't think there should be a guest worker program?

Where did I ever say that hispanics were evil?

I am all for an immigration overhaul. However, that must come second to real border protection. Once we fix the problem of the border - then we can work on immigration reform and a guest worker or temporary worker program.

By the way, I ask you this. If 12 million illegal immigrants (of all nationalities) are crossing our borders and millions of tons of contraband materials are being brought in illegally - can you imagine how many terrorists with materials might be getting in with them? Even if the nember is one tenth of one percent (.01) - thats 12,000 terrorists with materials that could be used to attack america.

GW said amnesty first I agree

If you can't control the drugs, why do you think you can control aliens

Neo conservatives thought that they would impose their will in Iraq/Mideast, they have yet to cry uncle. Trust me someone who straps on a bomb believes in their cause. This game is far from over and my suggestion is that we cry uncle and get out of that conflict. If and when they come here I'll strap on a bomb and match their will/cause. Don't start no fecal matter and there won't be any fecal matter. They don't hate America just because we are America. No Americas actions have caused bad relations.

oops I forgot the school of terrorist and what they did to my Jesuit Brothers

www.soaw.org

I believe then we have to agree to disagree.

Oh, believe me I understand that the stupid neocons and the flawed governmental policies started this crap but we have to deal with its consequences. That means securing our borders.

We live in a reality where we are paying for the sins of the past. We cannot change any of the actions, we can merely protect ourselves at this point. In my opinion, that means securing our borders and changing our foreign policy into one based on diplomacy over might.

These are probably the longest comments I've ever seen in a Vox blog, and I've written some doozies myself.

Anyway, you've probably heard the saying that if a million monkeys bang away on a million typewriters for a million years, one of them will eventually bang out the complete works of Shakespeare just by accident? Well, Ann Coulter is just such a monkey. She had to write something that made sense eventually, just by the law of averages. Don't worry, you'll go back to disagreeing with her in her next article, I'm sure.

Que sera sera

rule number 1 is never ever screw with people who handle you food

I suppose the Rush gospel is for the intellectual elite. Spare us the slings and arrows of the single digit IQ. Rush, Grudge, and FOX are just as stupid as those bias think tanks funded by for profit organizations. They and their works are under no peer review and are an insult to real research. Pathetic silly people calling themselves senior fellows and no recognition from any national and or international award organization. They reek of dirty money and are a lobby by any other name. The pox to the champions of the rich/leisure class.
It's not as bad as all that. You should read the Justice Department's rationale (pdf) for the arrests before coming to your conclusions. I am of the opinion that the border agents most likely acted inappropriately.
Here is a rebuttal of the above (also pdf).

I think that the law sometimes has to take precedence over what we see as "justice" in a situation like this. Did the agents shoot a drug-runner? Yes. Did they do so in a manner that is consistent with the law...it does not appear so. And if the law isn't followed then there's no point, really...

Gee that also has the union bug. So the border patrol has representation under a collective bargaining agreement. Hence, any termination and or disciplinary action on a dues paying member is a bias grevience statement filed.Thats what is contained in that PDF file. That is common in such a situation. The grievance will go through the steps and a judge/arbitrator will rule. He/she will rule that the grievant either was terminated/disciplined for just cause or maybe even that the greivant be made whole or somewhere in between.

This case is also being viewed in criminal courts and may even go through civil courts. This is aside from the employer action, which I'm assuming termination and or disciplinary action.

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txw/press_releases/2007/compean_ramos_suttonstatement_1_17_07.pdf

This is the disposition of the case and the defendant opted for a jury of their peers in federal action against them. Unfortunately, for them, they didn't prevail and I'm sure that the case is under appeal. I'm almost certain that their union would withdraw their greivance in light of what has transpired. But thats not my call.

Scio...I think it depends on who you believe - an upstanding and decorated border patrol officer or a drug runner. For some reasn I believe the border patrol.

As for the DOJ document. Those people are so busy sucking the Bush Administration teat - I don't think they would ever do anything against what the Bushies want. George W Bush wants cheap slave labor for his business buddies. Why would he ever want to interfere with the flow of his cheap labor?

As for the DOJ document. Those people are so busy sucking the Bush Administration teat - I don't think they would ever do anything against what the Bushies want. George W Bush wants cheap slave labor for his business buddies. Why would he ever want to interfere with the flow of his cheap labor?
Because that's a rational position to take.
It may be that the border patrol agents did the rgiht thing...but they did it the wrong way. You can't break the law to serve the law.

For the record...I think the law should allow our border patrol to shoot anyone coming across illegally - on sight.
LOL, I just think if we secured the damned borders, we would be a lot better off. I don't think that shooting anybody that crosses illegally is the right way to go though....
never know til you try.

You're right though, shooting is too labor intensive. Land mines?

Unfortunately an American jury saw the evidence, which included a fake ass report, and ruled that the act was criminal. Texas juries are not soft on crime. Fact is that more cases have been overturned in Dallas County since the so called new science of DNA has emerged. Then too Texas uses capital punishment more than any other state. When you kids grow up you can change the laws and fix this mess of a world.

Remember Bush loves all of us, even the brown ones.

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